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Comment by Keith Diehl on May 19, 2010 at 5:41pm

Anne, check out the smoothie I posted in the recipes group. It's a great way to add some greens! Good luck!

Comment by Anne de Champlain on May 17, 2010 at 2:18pm

Thanks Suzette ! I really appreciate your comments. I think it is true that I probably don't plan enough rest time. I usually think...I'll take a day off if I'm tired but tend to have a strong will so usually it's a little too late by the time I feel I need to take the day off.
I also do consume a fair amount of fat through nuts, avocados and oils (coconut, EFA, Hemp and Olive). Nuts have become an easy snack for me and I need to stop relying on that. I totally agree that I should do my best to increase my green smoothies and juices. (I've been delaying in buying a Vita-mix but perhaps it's high time!). I'm not enjoying relying so much on fruit and I'll be happy to try to substitute for more greens.
I'll also have a look for the raw Bs and Ds you recommended.

Thanks again for your help.

Comment by Suzette Henderson on May 17, 2010 at 6:26am

Your food looks great, and it seems that you are very conscientious about it. When I read your thoughts, it almost seems more about what you ARE doing, rather than not doing. As hard as you train, there are certain vitamins and minerals that are more likely to be depleted. Have more planned rest periods as well. It could be that your adrenal system is overworked, and there might be some acidity buildup. My suggestion would be to do more green smoothies. Fresh greens - juiced. Include plenty of sprouts. By upping the fruit, you are still upping the sugars, which will lead to borrowed energy that also has to be paid back. Rely more on the greens, sprouts (broccoli, alfalfa, sunflower), and if you do the grains and nuts, make sure they're sprouted or soaked. I also read your bodyfat number... for your level of reported activity, it seems a little high... so I would also suggest that your fats are too high, nut consumption too high... too many fats too close to bed, etc. Add in the raw b-vitamin complex - I really like Garden of Life, and the raw D, also Garden of life. These tend to be usually lacking in a vegan diet... good luck!

Comment by Anne de Champlain on May 15, 2010 at 7:56pm

Hi All,
I'm wondering if anyone can offer a bit of guidance. I am currently training a lot (20-25 hours per week) of strength training (3 X 2 hours per week), cardio vascular -6 runs (three long easy, three treadmill between 30-50 min with intervals) - 3 swims (about 11km total) with intervals - 1 spin class - 3 intervals (40 min) on eliptical machine - Abs workout most days and stretch. I do take a day off now and then but usually every 4 to 5 weeks however my weekend trainings are not as long which give me a chance to recover usually.
I changed my diet quite substancially in August-Sept last year and totally restrict my complex carbs as I feel I don't digest them very well but have upped my fruit intake. I eat a Vegan diet (organic as much as possible) and perhaps at least 80% raw. The cooked food I have is however complex carbs when I eat a porridge breakfast maybe 3-4 times per week (before I start my training with either weights or non-cardio exercises) consisting of either cooked quinoa, Buckweat or Amaranth with some blueberries and perhaps banana (I'll usually top this with ground chia and ground flax). On days when I start my day by running and swimming I'll have a raw breakfast made with fresh/frozen fruit, dates, ground flax and coconut oil.

After training (usually 3-4 hours) I have a recovery drink consisting of some protein (hemp or Vega Perf protein), dates, sprouted buckweat, dulse, chia, chlorella, Maca, lemon and lime juice. And when I get home I have a WFHO portion (two scoops) which is moslty my lunch but I'll add some nuts or an apple in the afternoon if I feel hungry (usually I do). At night I have a big salad with many vegies, some hemp seeds, avocado, mung bean sprouts etc with oil (Olive and EFA oil) and lemon juice.

Of course if I'm hungry after that I may have a banana or something else but typically this is the way I eat. I kind of run out of ideas of what to eat if I'm hungry in the evening.

I have a few concerns. One is that I can sometimes I get really tired and I'm not sure if I'm eating enough Carbs or whether the simple carbs are causing too much of a glycemic load since I didn't eat that many simple carbs before. I also know I don't eat that much protein but I am quite muscular (5'6" and 145 and probably 23% bodyfat) and have been a vegan for most of the last 20 years so this is not new for me.

I also read Nate's posts which recommends to have protein before training (I always go by the carbs before training and straight after and protein after that) and during training. He seems to also say that by replenishing as you train, you prevent using Muscle glycogen which I guess is true. But part of training is to teach your body to use glycogen and fat effectively so as to not hit the wall in longer distances. I find that if I have sports drink at regular intervals when I train, I really need to continue having them or else I'm in trouble. When I train for long periods of time I rarely have any nourishment (I might do two hours of weights followed by 1.5 or so hours of cardio). On days I run 90 minutes I may have a banana before going for a 4000m swim but I don't use sport drinks.

Does anyone see anything hugely wrong with what I'm doing? I'd appreciate the comments
Kind regards

Comment by Desiree Garrido on May 15, 2010 at 10:10am

Just soaking in all the great info from the vegan athletes perspective...thanks ya'll =D

Comment by Nyla Cione on April 20, 2010 at 12:41pm

I am trying my shot at vegan food plans this season round. Though I don't have any shows booked this season year, I am focusing on some of my weaker areas for next season.
So this is my delema, I don't process carbs well meaning that I tend to bloat up and get thick and flat. I have a sensitivity to high glycemic loads even if I combine it with my agility training. It just keeps me thick and complacent. I am trying to hang in but thinking that I really need to stay away from any agave, dates, bananas, etc. Just do green drinks hard core without the added fruit sugars. I am in a different sport than my other counter parts who are endurance athletes.
I have talked to many people when explaining the sensitivity but they keep trying to tell me I don't have a problem when I know I do.
I would have to train extreme to avoid the over spill into the fat cell.
I am not diabetic but I believe I have a metabolic disorder of some kind. I don't process carbs like regular people. It is frustrating.
I am eating roughly a zone split on my ratios (for my off season) and I can't seem to take off the 20 pound (now creeping into over 20) rebound from last season. Mind you I was eating animal protein last season, so wondering if I am still detoxing.
well, I am rambling...anyone got some experience with this?

Comment by Raw Action on March 16, 2010 at 10:42am

Any UK people here?

Comment by Nathane L. Jackson on February 26, 2010 at 9:07pm

Kyle,

Insulin spike is the goal before, during and after strength training if you are trying to build muscle. Reason being, the glucose from the dates drives the protein into your muscles faster than proetin alone, and ofcourse nothing at all.

If fat loss is your goal I still suggest the same mixture just a half serving at each.

Check out an article I wrote on Nutrient Timing, http://www.nathanejackson.com/fitness-tips/nutrient-timing.htm

Nate

Comment by Kyle Morgen Garrett on February 12, 2010 at 8:31pm

Nate,

Have you considered having a few tablespoons of Coconut Oil in lieu of the dates for pre-workout? (Cold pressed, extra virgin, organic of course). Same number of calories without the insulin spike.

I would think soaked dates would be best post-workout (when an insulin spike is the goal).

Comment by Kyle Morgen Garrett on February 12, 2010 at 8:27pm

Ted,

The stuff that floats is most likely the BCAA's. I have never found them to dissolve well in anything, and they taste like S***.

Glutamine on the other hand dissolves very nicely.

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