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New to Vega...Questions?
I just recently celebrated my 1 year anniversary of going vegan on May 1st. Before switching my diet I weighed 120 lbs (for about 8 years), walked,and worked out moderately. I ate alot of high protein and not much meat, but I did eat dairy almost daily and consumed almost no fruits or vegetables.
Since I have turned vegan, I walk appoximately 40 miles a week, weight train 4 times a week and only eat hemp protein shakes, fruit, vegetables, beans, nuts (sparingly) and grains (mostly buckwheat, multigrain, and gluten free oats). I eat no sugar, caffeine, or gluten. I now weigh 135 and have for a year (with no fluxuation). I do have more muslce tone for sure, but am not excited :) about the weight gain.
Have any of you faced something similiar or do you have any suggestions?
Thanks so much for your time :)
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Permalink Reply by Burton on -
When did the weight gain start and how hard were you training?
Were you getting enough sleep, are you getting DOMS and not letting it heal, what was your % fat / muscle ratio before and after the gain? Do you get essential fats, do get get enough B12, iron, etc.
I had something similar happen to me once. I have weighed 132lb for 12 years now. The only time I have ever gone UP in weight was when I was training with a divers weight belt on (10lbs) for months. I went up to 145lb, a huge increase in muscle definition and no increase in body fat.
Also vegan a year might not be long enough for your body to fully adjust, I remember my first year going vegan and it was not the easiest, and I was coming off of being several layers of vegetarian.
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Permalink Reply by Jay Crawford on -
Laura,
You should never judge yourself by the scale, specially when your talking about 10-15 lbs. That programming has to be rewriten. You can fluctuate 5 lbs every 2-3 days just with water and 5-10lbs monthly. This is even more evident for menstrating women. You seem pretty active and have put some muscle on which is 7 times denser than fat. You should be honestly critical of yourself in the mirror. Use measurements like body part circumfrences and how your clothes are fitting. [Eg: If you were 5'6" a 1" muscle increase in your thighs would translate into about 10 lbs.] You see more muscle definition, well how about the thickness of the skin on that muscle...do you feel there is a little fat being added aswell?
This requires a little more face to face assessment. Maybe go to a certified personal trainer for a body fat calibration test to find out if/how you should be adjusting your trainning. [ a lot of schools that teach CPT programs will offer assesments free at the end of program semesters as part of their students lessons] Healthy body fat for a woman is about 15%, but if you want to be a pro bodybuilder or a fitness model you may want to 'cut' that down, but even then that would only be seasonally. If you are just aiming for a dress size that you feel is ideal for you then maybe reduce the weights and turn to exrecise like Yoga or Pilates, things that won't add size but excell at keeping muscles strong and defined. If you aren't a runner and don't plan to be, maybe consider biking. A road bike, mountain bike or just a cruiser, either way you can amp up the level of exercise over walking without the impact of running and this may help you lean up a little bit more.
On the diet side, being vegan is defiinately advantagious. Maybe start a food journal and track the amount of protein, fat and carbs your eatting. It is also beneficial to track what kind of carbs; Starch, fibre and sugar (even if they are naturally occuring). Then you can get an overall picture and may be able to make adjustments based on trainning requirements. Food timing is very crucial. Getting the metabolism rolling in the morning while letting yourself 'cooldown' at night. Eatting a little more for workout days and cutting back the bigger calories for 'off' days. Changing up a few food items to up the fibre % and lower the starch. You have to treat your self as a little science experiment and 'tweak' a few numbers. The smallest changes in these areas can make huge differences over weeks and months.
And really remember your mind plays a critical role in all of this, feed your body mind and soul for complete health. Decide what you would like to look like and for what reasons, if both are honestly healthy then next is examine the details of diet and exercise to 'fine tune' the little factors 'til you find that magic combo. If you want, post more detailed info of what one of your days may look like to paint a better picture for us. There are quite a few top level competitors that are members of this site with TONS of experience, that often like to share tips. You may not be interested in bodybuilding or pro modeling, but it doesn't mean you cant sculpt your body like a pro, using their advice and their methods.
I hope I was some help. Please share a bit more info or ask more detailed questions.
Jay
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Permalink Reply by Laura Wisser on
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Thank you so much for taking the time to ask more probing questions. I really appreciate the feedback.
The weight gain seemed to begin when I stopped concentrating so hard on protein and began incorporating more fruit and vegetables into my diet. For example, I used to only use straight hemp protein powder with flax oil and water for my morning shake. After going vegan, I began adding a handful of spinach or kelp and a handful of blueberries, acai, gogi etc. to my morning shake. I also used to eat almost no cerals, rice, or multigrain carbs at all (probably unhealthily so). I take a form of liquid supplements for my iron, B-12, calcium, and amino acids.
I also noticed the weight gain increase when I moved away from 5 and 8 pound weights and began incrementing to heavier weights depending on the muscles I was working (ie: 15 lb. for various tricep. 35 for chest and bicep, some shoulder and back).
I have not checked my body fat for almost 5 years (it used to fall between 16-19). My arms are definately more toned and have bigger muscle mass than before, but I have some weight now above my hips that I have never had before and it is not muscle :).
Thank you again-
Burton said:When did the weight gain start and how hard were you training?
Were you getting enough sleep, are you getting DOMS and not letting it heal, what was your % fat / muscle ratio before and after the gain? Do you get essential fats, do get get enough B12, iron, etc.
I had something similar happen to me once. I have weighed 132lb for 12 years now. The only time I have ever gone UP in weight was when I was training with a divers weight belt on (10lbs) for months. I went up to 145lb, a huge increase in muscle definition and no increase in body fat.
Also vegan a year might not be long enough for your body to fully adjust, I remember my first year going vegan and it was not the easiest, and I was coming off of being several layers of vegetarian.
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Permalink Reply by Laura Wisser on
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Thank you so much for these great questions and suggestions Jay. It is VERY helful and gives me some things to examine and think on.
I felt greatly encouraged at the 1" muscle mass increase contributing to 10 lbs. of body weight. I do keep track of measurements. The only place that I have noticed fat is right above my hip bones and this is the first time in my life I have struggled with that.
I have thought about the personal training option but am very limited on resources. I have 8 kiddos so I do all free weights, cardio and strength training at home. Perhaps I can call around and see if someone could do a free assessment.
My fitness goals are fairly simple. I want to be as fit as I can be, maintain energy and stamina, and develop excellent muscle tone and strength so that I can stay active and keep up with lifes opprotunities.
I do keep a food journal. Would you be willing to take a look at some sample days from last week and help me see if I am missing something or getting too much of something?
Thank you again. I know it takes time.
Jay Crawford said:Laura,
You should never judge yourself by the scale, specially when your talking about 10-15 lbs. That programming has to be rewriten. You can fluctuate 5 lbs every 2-3 days just with water and 5-10lbs monthly. This is even more evident for menstrating women. You seem pretty active and have put some muscle on which is 7 times denser than fat. You should be honestly critical of yourself in the mirror. Use measurements like body part circumfrences and how your clothes are fitting. [Eg: If you were 5'6" a 1" muscle increase in your thighs would translate into about 10 lbs.] You see more muscle definition, well how about the thickness of the skin on that muscle...do you feel there is a little fat being added aswell?
This requires a little more face to face assessment. Maybe go to a certified personal trainer for a body fat calibration test to find out if/how you should be adjusting your trainning. [ a lot of schools that teach CPT programs will offer assesments free at the end of program semesters as part of their students lessons] Healthy body fat for a woman is about 15%, but if you want to be a pro bodybuilder or a fitness model you may want to 'cut' that down, but even then that would only be seasonally. If you are just aiming for a dress size that you feel is ideal for you then maybe reduce the weights and turn to exrecise like Yoga or Pilates, things that won't add size but excell at keeping muscles strong and defined. If you aren't a runner and don't plan to be, maybe consider biking. A road bike, mountain bike or just a cruiser, either way you can amp up the level of exercise over walking without the impact of running and this may help you lean up a little bit more.
On the diet side, being vegan is defiinately advantagious. Maybe start a food journal and track the amount of protein, fat and carbs your eatting. It is also beneficial to track what kind of carbs; Starch, fibre and sugar (even if they are naturally occuring). Then you can get an overall picture and may be able to make adjustments based on trainning requirements. Food timing is very crucial. Getting the metabolism rolling in the morning while letting yourself 'cooldown' at night. Eatting a little more for workout days and cutting back the bigger calories for 'off' days. Changing up a few food items to up the fibre % and lower the starch. You have to treat your self as a little science experiment and 'tweak' a few numbers. The smallest changes in these areas can make huge differences over weeks and months.
And really remember your mind plays a critical role in all of this, feed your body mind and soul for complete health. Decide what you would like to look like and for what reasons, if both are honestly healthy then next is examine the details of diet and exercise to 'fine tune' the little factors 'til you find that magic combo. If you want, post more detailed info of what one of your days may look like to paint a better picture for us. There are quite a few top level competitors that are members of this site with TONS of experience, that often like to share tips. You may not be interested in bodybuilding or pro modeling, but it doesn't mean you cant sculpt your body like a pro, using their advice and their methods.
I hope I was some help. Please share a bit more info or ask more detailed questions.
Jay
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Permalink Reply by Burton on
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Laura "The weight gain seemed to begin when I stopped concentrating so hard on protein and began incorporating more fruit and vegetables into my diet. For example, I used to only use straight hemp protein powder with flax oil and water for my morning shake."
The 811 is 80% carb. 10% fat / protein right? DId you start taking in more or less protein after you gave up 811? How many calories were you taking in a day compared to when you started to gain weight?
People who avoid carbs, like in the Atkins diet, often gain weight when they start eating carbs again because the body was in a state of starvation from not having carbs, and when it finally got them it stocked up. IDK if this applies to what you were doing.
The gain due to muscle increases is more likely however, even though you did mention the gain in fat above your hips.
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Permalink Reply by Jay Crawford on
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Hey Laura!
The hips eh? thats seems to be the first place in alot of women. I'm not gonna ask your age...it's not polite:) but it is a factor. Definately post a response that gives an example of a workout day and an off day...if you can list times and even activities so we can examine your timming.
Did you say you had 8 kids? well that is a workout unto itself...nowonder you want to keep your stamina tiptop!
TTYL
Jay
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Permalink Reply by Jay Crawford on
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BTW, have you read either of Brendans books Thrive Nutrition or Thrive fitness?
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Permalink Reply by Laura Wisser on
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:) I appreciate your discretion but I do not mind stating my age at all. Every year I am gifted with is another opprotunity. I am quickly approaching 40 (38). I hope it is a contributing factor in some way and also that it is something I can work with and not against. Any feedback there would be great.
Mon. Wed. Fri. and Sat. I walk ten miles at 4:00 a.m. I lift after that:
Mon-work muscle groups biceps, shoulders, glutes, abs
Wed-work chest, back, tricep, legs,abs
Fri-repeat Mon. workout
Sat-repeat Wed. workout (every other weekend)
Tues. and Thurs. are 40 minute high intensity cardio days but I do not lift on those days. This usually consists of swimming, jump roping, dance etc. depending on weather.
Sunday is an off day as far as a formal workout goes but I do usually hike, swim, or do something with my teens.
The only time this varies is if I am too exhausted to get up early or I have had a really late night and then I walk in the evening instead and skip lifting.
Does this help? Thank you for taking the time to help me with this.
I have not read the books yet, but have ordered them. I am on lesson 7 of Brendan's Thrivve in 30.
Jay Crawford said:Hey Laura!
The hips eh? thats seems to be the first place in alot of women. I'm not gonna ask your age...it's not polite:) but it is a factor. Definately post a response that gives an example of a workout day and an off day...if you can list times and even activities so we can examine your timming.
Did you say you had 8 kids? well that is a workout unto itself...nowonder you want to keep your stamina tiptop!
TTYL
Jay
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Permalink Reply by Jay Crawford on
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Laura,
Thats a real nice routine you've set up. I want to next ask how long have you been at this program? A body can become used to or well adapted to routines quickly. The body, by design, wants to find the most efficient way to perform the tasks given to it and will eventually become so used to a program that the benefits you sought in the first place may be harder to attain. It seems about 6-8 weeks a person should change up or shake up the routine to 'reactivate' the bodies learning and make changes. I would like to propose and idea:
Mon. Wed. Fri. and Sat. Walk ten miles pre-workout (It's a great warmup)
Mon. chest, shoulders (except rear delts) and triceps plus abs.
Wed. Back, rear delts and biceps plus abs again.
Fri. Legs. This will be the hard day but if you got some left in you, you can add a few abs sets again
Sat. Add another intense cardio session instead of lifting on this day.
Tue. Thur. Keep the intense cardio going on these days.
Sun. Is your leisure day, any activity you en-JOY with your kids is awesome.
I am glad to hear that you listen to your body. Forcing a workout when your tired or had too few hours sleep will work against you... burn out will actually make you put on fat.
I am actually excited for you to recieve and read the Thrive books. Brendans aproach will make so much sense to you. It's a whole diet and trainning 'science' that will make your body even more efficient, increasing energy and stamina. 'Til the books get there and you read them take one week to just do your walks every morning, like a week off then apply a new routine. The example I gave was just an Idea how to hit all body parts in one week and up your cardio time a bit, but you may want to do it a little different. The point is give your body a change to 'shock' it into pefroming again. Run through this while you read the books, maybe read Thrive Fitness first, it's about trainning efficiently...the beauty is no expensive equiptment needed and very versatile with a couple good trainning guides. You might want to abandon your style of trainning for a while and set up a Thrive Fitness program. This will certainly send your body 'back to school' and you will likely see amazing results in weeks.
Next post me a couple of your food days so we can examine your diet. In Thrive Fitness there is a chapter about the diet/trainning connection that will be like Thrive in Thirty, a brief overview of Thrive Nutrition. By the time you get through Thrive in Thirty, recieve your books and read Thirve Fitness you will be working over new trainning Ideas and you can start Thrive Nutrition which will make you seriously evaluate your diet. Thrive has changed my life...I'm working out basically three times daily mon-fri. I have a core routine with a mat, exercise ball and foam roll I do in the morning. I get 60-90 min of hiking/biking/walking at the park at a moderate intensity. Then in the eve I hit the weightroom for a high intensity 45 min session with the weights. Thanks to Thrive diet, I experience zero next day soreness, my recovery is AMAZING! I'm 38 also but I've been feeling the energy I had when I was 20!
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Permalink Reply by Laura Wisser on
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Wow Jay! Thank you so much for taking the time to offer such thorough feedback.
I have been doing a routine similiar to this for almost a year. The only difference would be in the summer when i teach swim team and I just have more time for intense workouts like hiking, canoeing, and swimming. My body has probably been starving for more challenge which may even be a contributing factor to my zero weight loss and disappointing lack of the definition I desire.
I appreciate the suggested work out plan and will give it a try. My books are due to arrive on Friday.
I can give you my first three food journal entries for May. They are actually fairly typical of a day. I already cook several different meals for my family so I have to keep mine very simple.
Sat. May 1
protein shake Water, 2 scoops Life's Best Hemp Protein with Greens, i handful kale, 1/4 c. blueberries, 1 lemon, 1/2 TBS. gogi powder, 1/2 TBS. maca root powder, 3/4 TBS. flax oil ( planning to switch to the Vega powder when I run out...probably 3 days)
Mixed greens, tomatoe, leeks, black beans (about two cups worth of salad)
5 gluten free multigrain crackers with almond butter
skipped dinner this day due to a kids activity :(
air popped corn with dash of olive oil and pepper
I drink about 120 ounces of water a day and usually decaf hot tea before bed
Sun. May 2
same protein shake
handful of almonds
large salad with tomatoe, cucumbers, sprouts, balsamic and olive oil (i TBS.)
carrot, celery sticks, radishes (1c.)
spinach and garlic greens
Mon. May 3
same protein shake
oven roasted potatoes with olive oil and rosemary
golden delicious apple
Vegan White bean soup (homemade)
Variations to this include pepita seeds, multigrain oatmeal with berries, peanut butter granola, pasta with tomatoe, artichoke hearts, and garlic, grapefruit, sometimes Lara Bars (dates, peanut butter).
I drink between 100-130 ounces of water each day, usually a cup of decaf tea before bed at night.
Thank you again for your time Jay.
I take the following supplements (grape seed extract, echinacea, calcium, acai, amino acids, b-12, iron, and zinc.
Thank you again for all of your time Jay-
Jay Crawford said:Laura,
Thats a real nice routine you've set up. I want to next ask how long have you been at this program? A body can become used to or well adapted to routines quickly. The body, by design, wants to find the most efficient way to perform the tasks given to it and will eventually become so used to a program that the benefits you sought in the first place may be harder to attain. It seems about 6-8 weeks a person should change up or shake up the routine to 'reactivate' the bodies learning and make changes. I would like to propose and idea:
Mon. Wed. Fri. and Sat. Walk ten miles pre-workout (It's a great warmup)
Mon. chest, shoulders (except rear delts) and triceps plus abs.
Wed. Back, rear delts and biceps plus abs again.
Fri. Legs. This will be the hard day but if you got some left in you, you can add a few abs sets again
Sat. Add another intense cardio session instead of lifting on this day.
Tue. Thur. Keep the intense cardio going on these days.
Sun. Is your leisure day, any activity you en-JOY with your kids is awesome.
I am glad to hear that you listen to your body. Forcing a workout when your tired or had too few hours sleep will work against you... burn out will actually make you put on fat.
I am actually excited for you to recieve and read the Thrive books. Brendans aproach will make so much sense to you. It's a whole diet and trainning 'science' that will make your body even more efficient, increasing energy and stamina. 'Til the books get there and you read them take one week to just do your walks every morning, like a week off then apply a new routine. The example I gave was just an Idea how to hit all body parts in one week and up your cardio time a bit, but you may want to do it a little different. The point is give your body a change to 'shock' it into pefroming again. Run through this while you read the books, maybe read Thrive Fitness first, it's about trainning efficiently...the beauty is no expensive equiptment needed and very versatile with a couple good trainning guides. You might want to abandon your style of trainning for a while and set up a Thrive Fitness program. This will certainly send your body 'back to school' and you will likely see amazing results in weeks.
Next post me a couple of your food days so we can examine your diet. In Thrive Fitness there is a chapter about the diet/trainning connection that will be like Thrive in Thirty, a brief overview of Thrive Nutrition. By the time you get through Thrive in Thirty, recieve your books and read Thirve Fitness you will be working over new trainning Ideas and you can start Thrive Nutrition which will make you seriously evaluate your diet. Thrive has changed my life...I'm working out basically three times daily mon-fri. I have a core routine with a mat, exercise ball and foam roll I do in the morning. I get 60-90 min of hiking/biking/walking at the park at a moderate intensity. Then in the eve I hit the weightroom for a high intensity 45 min session with the weights. Thanks to Thrive diet, I experience zero next day soreness, my recovery is AMAZING! I'm 38 also but I've been feeling the energy I had when I was 20!
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Permalink Reply by Jay Crawford on
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No worries Laura,
I think your diet is excelent, I'ld venture to say maybe your on the lower end of the calorie spectrum. I don't think you could reduce calories any without sacrificing your energies. Which was my next question...how is your energies? Hows your blood work..as in is your iron and B12 fine? My first thought was you may have too few calories?
Once again I think it's time to change up the exercise routine to give your body a new challenge. You don't necessarily need to increase weights, that may increase your muscle mass. If sculpting is what you're after try increasing reps, decreasing rest between sets or doing super sets. I'm gonna leave an example to show how you may up the intensity without increasing weight:
Chest Day: Flat bench dumbell press 10 reps straight into dumbell flyes 10 reps then tricep extensions (lying prone on the bench as you were for the other) 10 reps. Rest 2 min and start super set over now do 12reps each. 2min rest now do 14 reps each. Rest a few minutes while you set up for the next group. Set your bench upright to seated postion and do dumbell press up overhead (military) then straight into side delt raises (you may need to grab a lighter set of dumbells) then forward delt raises. Do this like the last super set 10, 12, 14. When thats complete after 2-3 min rest take your exercise ball up against a wall with arms extended and roll it around on the wall making a small figure 8, try for around 15-20 reps arms should be straight but not locked out. If that burns try to do the next set for more but do the figure 8 sideways. Do two or three of these each and your chest-delt area should be screaming at you! Think carefully about how your muscles move your body parts and make sure you're hitting all the angles to activate as many fibres as you can like doing the first part of chest day at a slight incline next week, then a slight decline the next.
You see how the complimentary muscle groups can be worked together to really challenge them! If you did this workout right you may not get your post workout shake up to your mouth for 30 min or so :)
And that brings me back to diet. Are you hitting the exercise empty and having your shake after workout time is done? Maybe go for your walk then eat an orange, hit the weights then you need some simple carbs quick for your glycogen stores. A couple dates are perfect, high% glucose goes straight to muscle cells, then 30 min later have your protein shake or WFHO if thats what your gonna try (it's excellent). I think you may want a few more grams of protein in the eve. Maybe add a 1/2 cup chick peas to your salad.
This is just some food for thought, simply putting some thought into some changes is the knudge your body needs. I think amp up the intensity, switch the sat weights for another cardio and increase the cardio to 60 min. I'm guessing your in pretty good shape and just looking for that next step. Shakin up the routine every 6-8 weeks will keep your body challenged. Muscles are a lot like your tummy, they enjoy a variety or get bored of the same old same old.
When you get into reading Thrive, Brendan will add so much more to this that you'll be able to be so much more creative with both diet and exercise that you'll keep your body challenged for a long time and love it :) Feel free to ask more questions if you need to or put up a new discusion as your going through the books. There are alot of amazing and very accomplished people here at vega Community with tons to offer. It's a support system that has made Thrive the most rewarding lifestyle choice I've ever made.
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Permalink Reply by Laura Wisser on
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Thank you Jay!
This sounds like a great challenge and change. I am totally up for it! Thank you so much!
Regarding energy, I do tend to be quite exhausted by evening time but there are alot of factors to that as well. I teach special education in junior high/high school from 7-5 everyday and then drive my tribe to thier activities in the evening so I do run out of energy. However, I am going non stop all day so I think this is pretty normal.
I am going to schedule a doctors visit for next month to check my levels. I am due to get my thyroid checked anyway.
Thank you again for all of the feedback. I will let you know how it goes :).
Jay Crawford said:No worries Laura,
I think your diet is excelent, I'ld venture to say maybe your on the lower end of the calorie spectrum. I don't think you could reduce calories any without sacrificing your energies. Which was my next question...how is your energies? Hows your blood work..as in is your iron and B12 fine? My first thought was you may have too few calories?
Once again I think it's time to change up the exercise routine to give your body a new challenge. You don't necessarily need to increase weights, that may increase your muscle mass. If sculpting is what you're after try increasing reps, decreasing rest between sets or doing super sets. I'm gonna leave an example to show how you may up the intensity without increasing weight:
Chest Day: Flat bench dumbell press 10 reps straight into dumbell flyes 10 reps then tricep extensions (lying prone on the bench as you were for the other) 10 reps. Rest 2 min and start super set over now do 12reps each. 2min rest now do 14 reps each. Rest a few minutes while you set up for the next group. Set your bench upright to seated postion and do dumbell press up overhead (military) then straight into side delt raises (you may need to grab a lighter set of dumbells) then forward delt raises. Do this like the last super set 10, 12, 14. When thats complete after 2-3 min rest take your exercise ball up against a wall with arms extended and roll it around on the wall making a small figure 8, try for around 15-20 reps arms should be straight but not locked out. If that burns try to do the next set for more but do the figure 8 sideways. Do two or three of these each and your chest-delt area should be screaming at you! Think carefully about how your muscles move your body parts and make sure you're hitting all the angles to activate as many fibres as you can like doing the first part of chest day at a slight incline next week, then a slight decline the next.
You see how the complimentary muscle groups can be worked together to really challenge them! If you did this workout right you may not get your post workout shake up to your mouth for 30 min or so :)
And that brings me back to diet. Are you hitting the exercise empty and having your shake after workout time is done? Maybe go for your walk then eat an orange, hit the weights then you need some simple carbs quick for your glycogen stores. A couple dates are perfect, high% glucose goes straight to muscle cells, then 30 min later have your protein shake or WFHO if thats what your gonna try (it's excellent). I think you may want a few more grams of protein in the eve. Maybe add a 1/2 cup chick peas to your salad.
This is just some food for thought, simply putting some thought into some changes is the knudge your body needs. I think amp up the intensity, switch the sat weights for another cardio and increase the cardio to 60 min. I'm guessing your in pretty good shape and just looking for that next step. Shakin up the routine every 6-8 weeks will keep your body challenged. Muscles are a lot like your tummy, they enjoy a variety or get bored of the same old same old.
When you get into reading Thrive, Brendan will add so much more to this that you'll be able to be so much more creative with both diet and exercise that you'll keep your body challenged for a long time and love it :) Feel free to ask more questions if you need to or put up a new discusion as your going through the books. There are alot of amazing and very accomplished people here at vega Community with tons to offer. It's a support system that has made Thrive the most rewarding lifestyle choice I've ever made.
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