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*Sigh* bees seem to be popping up everywhere for me!
Darrick--honey is sourced from flower nectar, which is collected by bees from the tips of flowers. They then return this collected nectar to the hive to be curated through their internal incubative system, so it is actually inherently vegan because bees don't make it-- they incubate/develop it (and in a separate "stomach" from their digestive system). The thing that can make it non-vegan is if it comes from a bee farm that is not cruelty-free. But there are cruelty-free bee farms. You will likely only find these farms by searching online for cruelty-free honey or at a farmers market or local co-op. Bees wax, for example, is not vegan, as that is an actual animal byproduct of the bee.
Darrick said:Thanks for the reply, Dave. I'm very new to the vegan experience myself (still in transition, actually — about 75-80% at this point), thus a lot of info like this is unfamiliar to me. I knew some of my strict vegan friends avoid honey for the reasons you mention, but I wasn't sure if pollen explicitly fell into the realm of the forbidden, that's why I ask.
Now that you've provided that answer, I guess for my own curiosity, is anyone here is familiar with biological findings for excluding bee pollen? I'm thinking along the lines of how Brendan provides examples in Thrive of how non-plant based foods often lead to increased acidity and strain on our bodies' systems, etc. (if not, that's ok too, I'm not too hooked on it anyway).
Perhaps I'm answering my own question by thinking out loud here, haha. Thanks again, and please forgive my naivety on this!
Oh Darrick, Darrick,
Had you any idea what you were starting with such an innocent question? :)
I want to clarify something for you all, who so diligently defended veganism/honey against my posts. I've never actually disagreed with you along the way, from my first post until now. I took the devil's advocate stance from the start because I wanted to see what authentic reactions people would have and what it would move them to say in defense of honey falling outside of veganism; the views I put forward were based off of what I've heard from folks who feel differently than those in this thread and things I thought of along the way.