Anyone else experience stomach cramping after drinking WFHO?

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Permalink Reply by dana on May 14, 2010 at 8:33am

hi there .. jason, I was wondering how about the EZ gluten test kits .. i have celiac disease and have become very ill from products that advertise as being gluten free .. ie. 20 ppm... do you buy the kits on line and are they a one time use??

it is difficult for some to understand the significance of what they feel is such a small amount of gluten but for those of us with Celiac diease it is devastating .. once exposed it can take 6 weeks for my autoimmune response to settle down ... nausea, cramping, bloating, malabsorption, sweeling in the legs, depression, rapid heart rate , itch skin, temperature fluctatiosn, headaches .. all happen for me


I am plesed that Vega is attempting to become more sensitive to the presence of gluten!
dana

Jasond said:

To be clear though, you only test every fifth batch and the lot in question was not tested. The lab that I use tested this lot at 30.5 ppm. I also did a home test using EZ Gluten, on lot #41458400, which was a small tub of the Natural flavor and it came up positive for gluten. The test is sensitive down to 10ppm, but does not give the specific number.

Vega Kelly said:

Hey everyone - I wanted to you fill you in on the gluten testing that Sequel does on Vega products. We regularly sample product against the FDA standard which is less than 20 ppm. From my understanding, at that level, those with a gluten allergy will not have a reaction. However it becomes a little grayer when you are talking about celiac. For this reason, the FDA (USA) and the CFIA (Canada) are currently reviewing the standard. To get ahead of the curve, we are having all of our products further tested to find out the exact ppm, not just under 20. If you'd like to send your contact info to michele@sequelnaturals.com and then we can stay in touch with you regarding those exact results. Please let me know if you have any other questions!
Kelly

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Permalink Reply by Jasond on May 14, 2010 at 11:33am

Hi Dana,
I have a lot of nasty reactions as well. I've been off the WFHO for over a week now and I'm still not back to normal. I'm doing Colosan twice a day to get it all out of my digestive track.
I ordered Gluten EZ online. It's pretty cool. I ordered ten tests for about 140 delivered. Each test is only good once. It's a little too expensive to test everything I consume. For instance, if I were to test every bottle of Vega when I opened it, it would add $14 to the cost of each bottle, so it's only useful in confirming after a gluten reaction.

I really miss being able to take the WFHO. I would start each day off with a helping, and then take another after a workout. I finally got my morning PH into the zone. I feel at a complete loss, as well as a lot of anger that I've done so much damage to my body since the product changed about a month or so ago. I was convinced that it must be something else that was effecting me. the first few months it actually helped my digestion and I had blood tests done after a couple months taking the product and my antibodies were fine. Then things changed about a month and a half ago. I wish I had had the EZ GLuten before this week. Would have saved me a lot of pain.

Jason

dana said:

hi there .. jason, I was wondering how about the EZ gluten test kits .. i have celiac disease and have become very ill from products that advertise as being gluten free .. ie. 20 ppm... do you buy the kits on line and are they a one time use??

it is difficult for some to understand the significance of what they feel is such a small amount of gluten but for those of us with Celiac diease it is devastating .. once exposed it can take 6 weeks for my autoimmune response to settle down ... nausea, cramping, bloating, malabsorption, sweeling in the legs, depression, rapid heart rate , itch skin, temperature fluctatiosn, headaches .. all happen for me


I am plesed that Vega is attempting to become more sensitive to the presence of gluten!
dana

Jasond said:

To be clear though, you only test every fifth batch and the lot in question was not tested. The lab that I use tested this lot at 30.5 ppm. I also did a home test using EZ Gluten, on lot #41458400, which was a small tub of the Natural flavor and it came up positive for gluten. The test is sensitive down to 10ppm, but does not give the specific number.

Vega Kelly said:

Hey everyone - I wanted to you fill you in on the gluten testing that Sequel does on Vega products. We regularly sample product against the FDA standard which is less than 20 ppm. From my understanding, at that level, those with a gluten allergy will not have a reaction. However it becomes a little grayer when you are talking about celiac. For this reason, the FDA (USA) and the CFIA (Canada) are currently reviewing the standard. To get ahead of the curve, we are having all of our products further tested to find out the exact ppm, not just under 20. If you'd like to send your contact info to michele@sequelnaturals.com and then we can stay in touch with you regarding those exact results. Please let me know if you have any other questions!
Kelly

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Permalink Reply by dana on May 14, 2010 at 3:33pm

thanks Jason .. I can relate!! I too have had symptoms but thought surely it cannot be the WFHO... I was also using an Amazing Greens product that also seems to have been "glutened" ... today i seem particuarly frustrated about it all .. on top of this I found out that the sprouted corn tortillas by FOOD FOR LIFE are in fact not gluten free.. they soak the corn in barley to sprout it!!! ughhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! and they state on their website that the product is gluten free.. I eat about 95 percent raw .. but there are times when you just want something different .. and unfortunatley the gluten free options seem to be getting fewer and fewer ... the marketing of gluten free is a huge business.. but reality is that gluten free and celiac friendly are two totally different things!!!

I love the concept of VEGA and I hope that they can remedy this is as I too am at a loss ... whole vegan foods - raw - and lots of greens seem to be my only option right now .. following the thrive diet but without the products!!

thanks for the scoop on the EZ testing .. you are right the cost seems rather prohibitive but at the same time .. our health is worth a lot!!!!

Take Care !! I too am coming into week 2 of eliminating these hidden gluten sources and I am riding the rollar coaster .. we need to hang in there and hold our chins up and pray that something great manifests!!! to bring us to a place of THRIVING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dana

danaJasond said:

Hi Dana,
I have a lot of nasty reactions as well. I've been off the WFHO for over a week now and I'm still not back to normal. I'm doing Colosan twice a day to get it all out of my digestive track.
I ordered Gluten EZ online. It's pretty cool. I ordered ten tests for about 140 delivered. Each test is only good once. It's a little too expensive to test everything I consume. For instance, if I were to test every bottle of Vega when I opened it, it would add $14 to the cost of each bottle, so it's only useful in confirming after a gluten reaction.

I really miss being able to take the WFHO. I would start each day off with a helping, and then take another after a workout. I finally got my morning PH into the zone. I feel at a complete loss, as well as a lot of anger that I've done so much damage to my body since the product changed about a month or so ago. I was convinced that it must be something else that was effecting me. the first few months it actually helped my digestion and I had blood tests done after a couple months taking the product and my antibodies were fine. Then things changed about a month and a half ago. I wish I had had the EZ GLuten before this week. Would have saved me a lot of pain.

Jason

dana said:

hi there .. jason, I was wondering how about the EZ gluten test kits .. i have celiac disease and have become very ill from products that advertise as being gluten free .. ie. 20 ppm... do you buy the kits on line and are they a one time use??

it is difficult for some to understand the significance of what they feel is such a small amount of gluten but for those of us with Celiac diease it is devastating .. once exposed it can take 6 weeks for my autoimmune response to settle down ... nausea, cramping, bloating, malabsorption, sweeling in the legs, depression, rapid heart rate , itch skin, temperature fluctatiosn, headaches .. all happen for me


I am plesed that Vega is attempting to become more sensitive to the presence of gluten!
dana

Jasond said:

To be clear though, you only test every fifth batch and the lot in question was not tested. The lab that I use tested this lot at 30.5 ppm. I also did a home test using EZ Gluten, on lot #41458400, which was a small tub of the Natural flavor and it came up positive for gluten. The test is sensitive down to 10ppm, but does not give the specific number.

Vega Kelly said:

Hey everyone - I wanted to you fill you in on the gluten testing that Sequel does on Vega products. We regularly sample product against the FDA standard which is less than 20 ppm. From my understanding, at that level, those with a gluten allergy will not have a reaction. However it becomes a little grayer when you are talking about celiac. For this reason, the FDA (USA) and the CFIA (Canada) are currently reviewing the standard. To get ahead of the curve, we are having all of our products further tested to find out the exact ppm, not just under 20. If you'd like to send your contact info to michele@sequelnaturals.com and then we can stay in touch with you regarding those exact results. Please let me know if you have any other questions!
Kelly

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Permalink Reply by Jasond on May 15, 2010 at 2:55am

I'm going to start a new thread. I think it's important that people with Celiac and gluten intolerance know that the product is contaminated.

Jason

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Permalink Reply by Belinda Cline on July 21, 2010 at 9:55am

Hi Kelly,
Can you read my post & see if you think gluten is my issue? I have not been tested for celiac, but have found on my own that I feel better not having it, but I have never gotten so sick in my life from eating anything as I have w/ WFHO...I am really sad b/c the first 2 months I felt amazing, happy, & full of energy...Could Iron make me sick or do you feel it is the gluten?-My Post-----
Hi, I am a beginner user of Vega. The first 2 months were GREAT! I had a shake in the morning for breakfast (only 1 scoop & added fresh fruit, usually a banana or
cherries) I took my vitamins later in the day as usual & had no
problems. I felt wonderful for 2 months.
I quit using Vega for about 2 weeks (just not making the time in the morning) A week ago I decided to get back to it & made one for lunch...1 scoop. A few hours later I became very
ill, hot & chills. Soon I was throwing up EVERYTHING until I dry
heaved (sp?) Anyway, I did not want to think Vega was the reason so I
just took a week away from it & yesterday I had another for lunch (1
scoop) - a few hours later- same result-I was so sick. That was all I
had for lunch & Water (Smart Water) I don't understand this at all. I might have a gluten sensitivity, but gluten never makes me sick likes that- usually it makes my joints hurt, stomach bloat but not like I have food poisoning, the way this feels.
So here is what I do know. -- I can NOT take vitamins high in iron, during both pregnancies I was unable to take prenatal due to the high iron, the sickness was very similar to what I feel after WFHO but not to the same degree.
So here is my theory & (I welcome all input)---- I love spinach (RAW) I eat it a lot, I HAVE BEEN TOLD that Spinach depletes iron??? or that it makes the body unable to absorb it?? I have found that some researchers agrees while others disagree. IF however, that is
true then it could provide me with the answer I have been looking for.
Here is why:
I ate raw spinach everyday for nearly 2 months, sometimes 2 servings a day (i really love it) that was prior to ordering my Vega shakes, so perhaps I was keeping my iron down eating spinach
enough that I could handle the 100% DV in the Vega Mix. Over the last
month I have not had as much spinach, I think I ate it so much I got
just a little tired of it. I still eat it about twice a week not twice a
day. Anyway, I am very sad that all of a sudden Vega is making me so
sick (it is the only explanation that makes sense) what should I do?
Should I increase my spinach again & in a few weeks try the Vega
again? Anybody else had this problem? Anybody else have issues with high
Iron? Why do some have higher Iron?
Do you think that there is another explanation? Any answers/suggestions- Thanks!!

Vega Kelly said:

Hey everyone - I wanted to you fill you in on the gluten testing that Sequel does on Vega products. We regularly sample product against the FDA standard which is less than 20 ppm. From my understanding, at that level, those with a gluten allergy will not have a reaction. However it becomes a little grayer when you are talking about celiac. For this reason, the FDA (USA) and the CFIA (Canada) are currently reviewing the standard. To get ahead of the curve, we are having all of our products further tested to find out the exact ppm, not just under 20. If you'd like to send your contact info to michele@sequelnaturals.com and then we can stay in touch with you regarding those exact results. Please let me know if you have any other questions!
Kelly

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Permalink Reply by Jasond on July 23, 2010 at 4:28am

Hi Belinda,
Sorry you are getting so sick. Are you on a gluten free diet? If you are, you could test if your reaction is to gluten by having a few bites of bread. If it makes you very sick, then it is probably the gluten in the WFHO. I anxiously await them finding out what the source of the contamination is. I miss being able to use the WFHO. I also felt great when I was using it, until the gluten showed up.

Jason

Belinda Cline said:

Hi Kelly,
Can you read my post & see if you think gluten is my issue? I have not been tested for celiac, but have found on my own that I feel better not having it, but I have never gotten so sick in my life from eating anything as I have w/ WFHO...I am really sad b/c the first 2 months I felt amazing, happy, & full of energy...Could Iron make me sick or do you feel it is the gluten?-My Post-----
Hi, I am a beginner user of Vega. The first 2 months were GREAT! I had a shake in the morning for breakfast (only 1 scoop & added fresh fruit, usually a banana or
cherries) I took my vitamins later in the day as usual & had no
problems. I felt wonderful for 2 months.
I quit using Vega for about 2 weeks (just not making the time in the morning) A week ago I decided to get back to it & made one for lunch...1 scoop. A few hours later I became very
ill, hot & chills. Soon I was throwing up EVERYTHING until I dry
heaved (sp?) Anyway, I did not want to think Vega was the reason so I
just took a week away from it & yesterday I had another for lunch (1
scoop) - a few hours later- same result-I was so sick. That was all I
had for lunch & Water (Smart Water) I don't understand this at all. I might have a gluten sensitivity, but gluten never makes me sick likes that- usually it makes my joints hurt, stomach bloat but not like I have food poisoning, the way this feels.
So here is what I do know. -- I can NOT take vitamins high in iron, during both pregnancies I was unable to take prenatal due to the high iron, the sickness was very similar to what I feel after WFHO but not to the same degree.
So here is my theory & (I welcome all input)---- I love spinach (RAW) I eat it a lot, I HAVE BEEN TOLD that Spinach depletes iron??? or that it makes the body unable to absorb it?? I have found that some researchers agrees while others disagree. IF however, that is
true then it could provide me with the answer I have been looking for.
Here is why:
I ate raw spinach everyday for nearly 2 months, sometimes 2 servings a day (i really love it) that was prior to ordering my Vega shakes, so perhaps I was keeping my iron down eating spinach
enough that I could handle the 100% DV in the Vega Mix. Over the last
month I have not had as much spinach, I think I ate it so much I got
just a little tired of it. I still eat it about twice a week not twice a
day. Anyway, I am very sad that all of a sudden Vega is making me so
sick (it is the only explanation that makes sense) what should I do?
Should I increase my spinach again & in a few weeks try the Vega
again? Anybody else had this problem? Anybody else have issues with high
Iron? Why do some have higher Iron?
Do you think that there is another explanation? Any answers/suggestions- Thanks!!

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